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Anthony - 28.09.2006, 01:29 Uhr
Titel: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

My thinkpad T60 is dual-booted XP and kanotix easter, 2.6.18 smp kernel.

When I'm in Kanotix, the hard drive feels a lot warmer than while in Windows.

Just booting up kanotix and putting my hand on the keyboard I can feel it.
While in Windows for hours, I feel no warmth at all.

What should I be looking at in Kanotix ?

piper - 28.09.2006, 03:39 Uhr
Titel: RE: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

I myself don't own a laptop, but if I did, I would probably get a cooler that the laptop sits on.

op4latino - 28.09.2006, 05:54 Uhr
Titel: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

Anthony hat folgendes geschrieben::

Just booting up kanotix and putting my hand on the keyboard I can feel it.
While in Windows for hours, I feel no warmth at all.

Ditto

Piper: I guess the cooler for the beers will have another function after all.

piper - 28.09.2006, 05:55 Uhr
Titel: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

op4latino hat folgendes geschrieben::

Anthony hat folgendes geschrieben::

Just booting up kanotix and putting my hand on the keyboard I can feel it.
While in Windows for hours, I feel no warmth at all.

Ditto

Piper: I guess the cooler for the beers will have another function after all.

LOL

John - 28.09.2006, 06:02 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

apt-get install hddtemp

hddtemp /dev/hda

when you're in windows get some free/shareware to get your harddrive-temperature and when you got both compare them

op4latino - 28.09.2006, 06:07 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

John hat folgendes geschrieben::

when you're in windows get some free/shareware to get your harddrive-temperature

hmm, "free" ... "windows" ... that it's hard to fine without spy/ad/virus/trojan/.......ware. Any known to be safe?

John - 28.09.2006, 06:12 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

i used this one, but it's in german only

http://soft-ware.net/system/hardware/fe ... p04408.asp

this one is in english, i think without spyware http://soft-ware.net/system/hardware/fe ... p04731.asp

Swynndla - 28.09.2006, 08:16 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

Doesn 't some power management thingy power down the hard drive in laptops after a period of inactivity? ... once after a dist-upgrade before the days of freeze-rc.d it was installed on my desktop and I was wondering why my hard drive was being powered down every few seconds. Perhaps the power saving thingy isn't set up properly for the hard drive??

ockham23 - 28.09.2006, 08:18 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

@op4latino: Under windows, I use speedfan by Alfredo Comparetti. This guy knows everything about sensor chips and how to read them. Some chips even allow you to control fan speed manually.

@Anthony: You can use gkrellm to monitor hard drive actitivity and system temperatures.

Code:

apt-get update && apt-get install gkrellm lm-sensors

sensors-detect

Follow the instructions, then launch gkrellm from the Debian menu (Apps --> System). By the way, "krellm" refers to "krell meter" from the movie The Forbidden Planet.

piper - 28.09.2006, 16:58 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

That is of course (above) the motherboard supports it, alot of older motherboards do not support it

Crust - 28.09.2006, 17:53 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

My hard drive is also hotter in Kanotix.
I believe it started getting hotter about 3~4 weeks ago.

Temp in Kanotix : 56 C
Temp in Windows: 49 C

Kanotix temperature read with hddtemp through Ksensors.
Windows temperature read with mobmeter.

I have a feeling something changed in laptop-mode-tools.

I have an Acer Ferrari 3400 which is notorious for hot hard drives.

-Crust

turbowsr - 01.10.2006, 03:02 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

I had the same problem. I found out that the kernel is driving the hard drive hard. This is what I had to do at console, not in config yet.
hdparm -M240 /dev/hda
That puts the acoustics down to 240 on the primary HD.
Kanotix runs it at 254, very hot, very noisey.

Kano - 01.10.2006, 09:25 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

Usually AAM values are 128 (quiet), 192 (sometimes middle setting), 254 (fast) and 0 (disable) but never 240. As AAM is stored within the HD itself and no -M would be called at all at bootup or somewhere else. Check current setting with -M without a number.

Crust - 02.10.2006, 17:06 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

Kano:

My acoustic = 0.

Will setting this to a different number cool the HDD when running?

-Crust

turbowsr - 02.10.2006, 23:11 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

As I understood hdparm man, the range was from 128 to 254. I understood that a setting between those two are acceptable. My HD recommends 192.
I noticed when I installed Kantonix in place of windows, my HD made a sound similar to what the old floppy drives made. VERY loud when accessing, while it wasn't during WinXP. A ran hdparm as stated above, now its very quiet. I can set my ear next to the HD and barely hear any sound. I also noticed a heat reduction afterwards also.
if I run:
hdparm -M /dev/hda
I'll get:
acoustic=0
But if I run:
hdparm -I /dev/hda
it shows my current setting of 240

I just report what worked for me, and what I see.

turbowsr - 02.10.2006, 23:12 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

Here's what came up under:
hdparm -I /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

ATA device, with non-removable media
Model Number: Maxtor 4D040H2
Serial Number: D2401WYE
Firmware Revision: DAH017K0
Standards:
Used: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 0
Supported: 6 5 4
Configuration:
Logical max current
cylinders 16383 16383
heads 16 16
sectors/track 63 63
--
CHS current addressable sectors: 16514064
LBA user addressable sectors: 78165360
device size with M = 1024*1024: 38166 MBytes
device size with M = 1000*1000: 40020 MBytes (40 GB)
Capabilities:
LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, no device specific minimum
R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16 Current = 16
Advanced power management level: unknown setting (0x0000)
Recommended acoustic management value: 192, current value: 240
DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
Cycle time: no flow control=120ns IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
* SMART feature set
* Power Management feature set
* Write cache
* Look-ahead
* Host Protected Area feature set
* WRITE_VERIFY command
* WRITE_BUFFER command
* READ_BUFFER command
* NOP cmd
* DOWNLOAD_MICROCODE
Advanced Power Management feature set
* SET_MAX security extension
* Automatic Acoustic Management feature set
* Device Configuration Overlay feature set
* SMART error logging
* SMART self-test
HW reset results:
CBLID- above Vih
Device num = 0 determined by the jumper

turbowsr - 02.10.2006, 23:15 Uhr
Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: Hard Drive Hot while in Kanotix

under:
Recommended acoustic management value: 192, current value: 240

It did say "current value: 254"
I changed that to 240; less noise; cooler running.