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2radical - 15.11.2006, 02:50 Uhr
Titel: can't access anything!!

HELP! Following a tip I read elsewhere, I decided to cut down on desktop icon clutter & create a new folder named storage on my desktop & put the desktop (HD) icons for my different partitions & floppy in it. I didn't get through doing that when I received the message:

"klauncher could not be reached via DCOP" I don't even know what DCOP is.

Now I can't utilize or access ANYTHING, including panel icons, without getting the same message. I can't even open the desktop folder I created to drag them out without receiving that message. I'm using the 2006-01-RC4 installation cd now to post this. I'd like to choke the SOB who posted that tip. Any ideas how to restore my desktop & get function back?

h2 - 15.11.2006, 02:56 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

just move back the stuff you put in the folder, hopefully anyway, then do the following:

It's not clear to me however why you did this, kde has in kcontrol options to turn off and on desktop icons, those aren't real things, like desktop shortcuts, they are just something that kde generates for you automatically.

To get rid of hard drive icons, k -> control center -> desktop -> behavior -> device icons, uncheck the ones you don't want to display, and that's it.

As for the idea of putting those in a folder, my guess is that was for a very old version of kde.

however, since you moved what I assume are virtual items it's hard to know what will actually happen.

Anyway, you can always just boot into init 3 from grub by typing 3 and hitting enter, then login as regular user, then find the place you put the stuff, and move it back, with ls, mv

2radical - 15.11.2006, 04:03 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

I can't "just move the stuff" because I can't open the folder. The reason I did this is because I wanted to put the 10G Media 20G Media & 7.7G Media in a folder so things would simply look tidier. I know they are shortcuts. The problem is I can't open or delete the folder or anything else without getting that message.

I'll try booting into init 3 & moving things. Thanks for the help.

h2 - 15.11.2006, 04:24 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

'just move it' in console, you don't have to be in kde. However, I think something else may have happened, since those aren't actualy files as far as I know, just something kde makes for itself.

You can also just install xfce4, which is a nice simple windows manager, where you can do this stuff in gui. Or use icewm, but it doesn't have much to offer.

I assume you made a directory in ~Desktop, so theoretically maybe if you are lucky you can mv those files back to being directly in Desktop and it will be ok again, though it's hard to say.

as user, cd Desktop
ls
see what files you see, if your directory is there: cd <youricondirectory>
ls
then just mv those to ../
and it might be ok again. Hard to say though.

Once you figure it out, to make it look 'tidier', just turn them off, those mount icons are totally unnecessary in the first place, you can always get to mounted partitions in /media/hdxx.

My desktop looks very 'tidy', it has nothing on it, everything is on taskbars that are set to display hidden by default, and I use konqueror for all my file manager stuff, works fine.

2radical - 15.11.2006, 04:58 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

Yes I did make a directory in ~Desktop & it contains the folder storage which contains everything which should be in /. So I guess those mount icons weren't just a "shortcut" after all, as it appears I backed up everything to storage. I rebooted (init 5) without doing anything, and was prompted to install KDE 3.5 which I quit, and was at a minimal KDE desktop. It did not boot to my regular desktop. I booted the cd again to type this.

I will try init 3 again & see what's in /. I don't want to mv things just yet for fear of making things worse.
There was also an additional empty directory in storage named file:%2f%2f%2f
I don't have any Idea what that's about.

2radical - 15.11.2006, 05:58 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

In init 3
ls / shows all the regular files/directories from bin thru vmlinuz--
ls /home/joyboy/Desktop/storage shows them too, except for initrd, media, none, proc, root, sbin & the link vmlinuz. I'm reluctant to move any of the files in the storage directory to / because if I overwrite I might make things worse. I'm wondering if I should just use
rm -rf /home/joyboy/Desktop/storage then reboot if as you say they are generated by KDE automatically.
Anyway it's late & I have to get up early. I'll have to wait until after work tomorrow to do more.

h2 - 15.11.2006, 06:30 Uhr
Titel: RE: can

it's hard to day, so it sounds like you dragged linux into kde somehow, when all that should be in there is a simple desktop configuration file for some shortcuts, text, that's it.

So it's very hard to say. Not surprising the system is borked, make sure that the /usr/lib, /usr/bin, /etc, and all that, in / are not moved, but my guess is yes, just let kde rebuild itself, you might have to create a new user though.

2radical - 16.11.2006, 02:52 Uhr
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Zitat:

it sounds like you dragged linux into kde somehow, when all that should be in there is a simple desktop configuration file for some shortcuts, text, that's it.

YEAH, no kidding--that's what I thought when I did this, that all I would be moving is the icon shortcuts. So now it looks like I'll be trashing my system ONCE AGAIN, all because of a simple desire to incorporate desktop icons into a single desktop folder. What a colossal pain in the butt.

Zitat:

Not surprising the system is borked, make sure that the /usr/lib, /usr/bin, /etc, and all that, in / are not moved, but my guess is yes, just let kde rebuild itself, you might have to create a new user though.

Just what I don't want to do. I've lost count of the times I've had to reinstall important settings after all the hard work of getting things the way I want them. This is very discouraging.

h2 - 16.11.2006, 03:01 Uhr
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actually, I doubt your system is borked, you just copied all of / into /home/2radical/Desktop/ExtraFolder

so of course the system fails.

you have to delete all that junk you copied in, then see where you are. Then try to be a little more critical about the advice you follow, copying in a virtual path to another directory in a directory just isn't a very good idea. The disk icon is not a real file, it's just a temporary thing that kde makes, so it's almost impossible to know what actually happened.

You definitely seem to have a knack at finding ways to break the system. Anythingi kde, xorg, etc, related you find in terms of howtos, tutorials, you have to very carefully check the version they are referring to, the date of publication.

And check out the actual directories you're dealing with, for example, I just activated my desktop hard disk icons, and of course, as I thought, there is no file for them in the desktop. That's because they don't exist as files per se.

So when you drag them into a directory, you are basically just copying all your data in those mounted drives into that directory, nothing more. And you can dump it all again, since you did that as user, not as root.

Then you can get back to where you started. But try to actually understand the stuff before messing it up, figuring it out after the fact is just too frustrating.

h2 - 16.11.2006, 03:17 Uhr
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Here's some nice clean desktops:

Gowator - 16.11.2006, 14:49 Uhr
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Just create a new user (its always good to have a spare anyway)
Go through the KDE firsr run and check its all OK then you can copy the ~/Desktop over and change permissions...
Like someone said figuring this out after the fact is ....