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Personally, I see it this way:
The business that employs me uses debian servers, but they will only run stable debian (ie Stable release, not just a stable version of testing or unstable). A lot of other businesses do this too. Unstable is called "unstable" for a reason, and I personally wouldn't recommend that a business install kanotix and especially if they intended to dist-upgrade!
That might be a controversal view on this forum, but it's what I believe. Don't get me wrong, I think kanotix is excellent for the user, and this community offers the user a ton of support. The kanotix developers are awesome and they bring out solid, up-to-date kernels. It's just that IMO kanotix and unstable-debian just isn't designed for business servers where the business is relying on the server not breaking.
Well, I do run Kanotix in businesses and on servers. However, I partially agree: Without an admin who knows what he does running Debian unstable on a server is not a good idea. But: Actually it's a bad idea to run a server with any operating system without an admin who knows his job! System stability is his responsibility, the operating system is just the framework he uses.
I don't agree with the rest. Just opposite to your opinion Debian Sid is designed for business servers - it's nothing else then the bleeding edge of Testing and Stable. And running a more recent operating system instead of an old & frozen version with tons of patches and fixes has become good practice in the industry. Why do you think more and more servers run Fedora instead of RHE, why would Ubuntu believe in server business then?
Running Debian Sid on a server has a huge advantage: You always receive security related updates and bug fixes straight and first. You don't depend on the work of the Debian security team or release cycles - you always are up to date. Don't take me wrong, the Debian security team does a great job, as do the maintainers who build other fix-packages and backports to Debian Stable, but all that takes time - and not everything finds its way into Stable.
I am not talking about running Debian Testing anywhere in a production environment (workstation or server) whit a network connection - that's plain stupid.
When we are looking at the corporate desktop, things are slightly different. There you don't need all the newest packages, but you need something stable and secure, easy to maintain and administer. Often you need to make sure that the operating system remains the same, even if a user did something stupid. there are several different approaches to that, depending very much on the infrastructure you are faced with. Personally I felt in love with running Kanotix "fromiso" and persistent homes for the users on a network share, or on portable media. You will find other solutions and ideas here in the forums, some very interesting and innovative.
The key-word in your comment was "dist-upgrade". Although Debian makes it very easy to do that, it's just not trivial or simple. You need to know and to check what's going on when dist-upgrading, otherwise better stay away from it. That's why we have implemented the "Update-Install" as a new feature into our installer - it takes care for you of all those problems.
So, Kanotix is the perfect solution in several different scenarios. It does however not free the admin from his duties (but might make his live easier).
Greetings,
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Thanks guys, since yesterdays post Firefox now seems to be working ok. The error message I was getting according to the Mozilla site could have been due to a corrupt profile. Shutting down Firefox it would disapear from the desktop but hang so htop showed it as still running and me killing it allowed a restart.
I would agree in general with Swynndla about Sid and business maybe not being ideal partners but I am talking about one PC not used for mission critical tasks just correspondence and e-mail and it will be easier for me to support him if he is using the same distro.Especially if there is no du and I don,t tell him the root pasword.  |
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