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Titel: First time Kanotix user. It's GREAT!
 Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 03:03 Uhr
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Anmeldung: 20. Sep 2006
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I tried:
PC-BSD (FreeBSD on desktop)
Ubuntu
Simply Mepis
Knoppix
Freespire
Gentoo
Vector
I tried all these Live CD's, only Kanotix found and installed my Netgear WAG311. Being a Linux Newbie (although I have played with it off and on for 8 years), I found Kanotix easier to set up my wireless lan. I did like some of the others interfaces better, my lan was the most important. Thats how I print and surf the web.
I have had zero problems so far. I had to learn some things, but at least it was easy and took only a few hours to figure out. That's just learning curve.
The only con I find is the lag or latency using KDE. There is some lag when an item is clicked and when the action takes place. I have used Win XX since 1995, but when XP told me that I changed my hardware too much, and that I had to re-register, only to find out that I also did that too many times, it p!$$ed me off. I paid full price for XP Pro, and have to hassle to get it to work when I change a harddrive.
Thank goodness for programmers of any Open-Source project. As soon as I learn more about Linux and xBSD's, and how to program, I want to recipricate what allowed me to get a good OS.
X11 is working on the lag problem. I just really wish that by end of 2007, MS would say "did anyone get the licence (GPL  of that truck!!!," when the xNix's bypass their a$$ in ease of use.
Thank you to all
Thank you to Kanotix team |
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 03:20 Uhr
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Titel: Re: First time Kanotix user. It's GREAT!
Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 03:32 Uhr
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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
The only con I find is the lag or latency using KDE. There is some lag when an item is clicked and when the action takes place.
Keep in mind that Linux from a live cd does not run nearly as fast as it does once installed to hdd. KDE is also not the fastest desktop around but it's certainly one of the most complete. There are plenty other desktops/window managers if you find that KDE (once installed) is not fast enough. You could also try out Icewm. Boot with the cheatcode
Code:
desktop=icewm
or if you're already booted up from a shell issue:
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restartx
and select Icewm. |
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 04:27 Uhr
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Oh, I did not mention. Since Kanotix worked how I wanted, I went ahead and installed it. Yes, I did notice the huge latency in Live CD on all of them. But I expected it. I just wanted all my hardware to work, and Kanotix did it.
The Latency is not a problem, I just notice because MS Win is already optimised here. It's not enough to make me dislike Linux, nor do I appriciate MS more.
Kanotix will not be removed from this PC.
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 21:03 Uhr
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>I have used Win XX since 1995, but when XP told me that I changed
>my hardware too much, and that I had to re-register, only to find out that
>I also did that too many times, it p!$$ed me off.
Well if you paid for Windows, you could have called Microsoft tech support and they will allow you activate it again.
Not that activation isn't nasty... because it is. For example, how are we going to activate a product when the company no longer supports that particular product or goes out of business.
KDE is definitely sluggish compared to Windows. But on a fast PC, it doesn't matter so much.
If you want a snappy file browser, check out ROX Filer. It's included by default in Puppy Linux if you want to try it. |
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 21:51 Uhr
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eeka1234 hat folgendes geschrieben::
>I have used Win XX since 1995, but when XP told me that I changed
>my hardware too much, and that I had to re-register, only to find out that
>I also did that too many times, it p!$$ed me off.
Well if you paid for Windows, you could have called Microsoft tech support and they will allow you activate it again.
The simple fact that M$ has access to your pc should be enough to make any sane person run away screaming. What if you bought a new car from Ford then one day Ford sends you a letter saying you must go to the dealership and have a new piece of hardware installed. This new hardware is billed as 'making your car safer and better' but the fine print actually reads "At any given time any employee from Ford can gain access to your car even if you tell them not to." Would you keep buying Fords?
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KDE is definitely sluggish compared to Windows. But on a fast PC, it doesn't matter so much.
Well I think that's subjective. I don't use KDE at all - in fact I really don't care for it but the win32 desktop has nothing on KDE as far as I can tell.
Zitat:
If you want a snappy file browser, check out ROX Filer. It's included by default in Puppy Linux if you want to try it.
Rox is a great file browser and it does alot more than you might think. It takes some time to figure it out and the sometimes strange way it works. One day I'll finally write that howto I've been meaning to write for some years about the wonders of rox filer. Oh and BTW - it's only a simple apt-get away. 
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apt-get install rox-filer
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 23:29 Uhr
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I did not mean to start a war. To each his own, I say. We can sit here and disgree on religion, politics, NFL, etc. But each of us won't change our mind.
I did call MS and got XP going again, its just that is stupid. If they used a different business model, then piracy would be extremely low. The PC I am running this on is by no means top of the line, but I believe that 2.9Ghz is plenty fast, the hardware is not the problem. And to say "use it on a faster pc" is a MS attitude. Just look at the spec/s for Vista. You WOULD have to buy a top of the line PC and upgrade it to run the new Vista. That is just completely hoggish on MS's part.
But remember also that most everyone would be Bill Gates. Look at Wal-Mart. Sam Walton was a genius and made millions. His kids killed his dream, but he had a great vision. Everyone praises mom and pop's, but as soon as mom and pop corners a market and make millions, then suddenly they're the enemy.
If you TRUELY believe in the OSS system, then take all your relatives and friends, buy 1000 acres with good pastures, then each of you work the land for food, raise animals for food, and share; don't sell anything, just trade it for work. But eventually, you'll be working for an unborn calf, thats credit. Then eventually further, everyone will realize there is a need for a device to represent ones worth, be it 200 cows, 500 bushels of apples, etc. Then promises will become more credits, those credits will become something to represent that, now you have coins, then dollars, then on and on.
So its not the business that is the enemy. Really, how many gripe that Apple took BSD, and now makes money off it. They are tiny compared to other companies, but they are the biggest, and number 1, in the mobile music business, and no one is bashing them, at least not now.
I don't mean this as an insult to OSS. I believe that working as a team, and shareing resources is an excellent idea. I also want to eventually give back to the OSS community. That will be my payment for the use of these services.
Please don't start a flame war, and keep an open mind. Live and Learn.
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 23:35 Uhr
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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
I did not mean to start a war.
A war? No my friend this is no war but rather a simple conversation. It can get much uglier than this!
You won't see alot of flame wars here on the Kanotix forum, I don't really know why but it just doesn't happen too often. We all share the same views I think (well mostly the same views). |
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Verfasst am: 20.09.2006, 23:56 Uhr
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Good, I like to here that. I quit talking in forums because of flamers.
I am happy to converse, and share opinions. |
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Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 00:00 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 06:24 Uhr
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Well I realized I only had 256mb Ram so I added some that was laying around.
512 seems to get rid of the lag. Looking at KDE Sys Guard, I was using a lot of HD swap space. Now it is nill.
Anyhow, Kanotix is great. And thanks to EVERYONE that was involved in its creation, and upkeep. |
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Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 09:08 Uhr
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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
To each his own, I say. . But each of us won't change our mind.
keep an open mind. Live and Learn.
Err isn't what you said contradictory, keeping an open mind and not changing your mind are two very different things.
On the technical side be prepared to change your mind as your opinion may not match the facts. |
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Titel: OT
Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 14:35 Uhr
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turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
To each his own, I say. We can sit here and disgree on religion, politics, NFL, etc. But each of us won't change our mind.
Well we could, but we should probably post in the anything goes forum for those off topic issues.
turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
But remember also that most everyone would be Bill Gates.
There are a lot of open source developers around the world that might not agree with your comment. Linus and also Richard Stallman come to mind. I'd also guess that Kano is as smart as Gates but I doubt he makes anything like those millions out of this superb OS. I also do not want to be a rich American, but open source is about choice.
turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
If you TRUELY believe in the OSS system, then take all your relatives and friends, buy 1000 acres with good pastures, then each of you work the land for food, raise animals for food, and share; don't sell anything, just trade it for work. But eventually, you'll be working for an unborn calf, thats credit. Then eventually further, everyone will realize there is a need for a device to represent ones worth, be it 200 cows, 500 bushels of apples, etc. Then promises will become more credits, those credits will become something to represent that, now you have coins, then dollars, then on and on.
To me that appears to be a somewhat simplistic view of an economic system and I'm not even sure what point you want me to deduce from it. BTW, I do reside in a rural area.
turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
So its not the business that is the enemy.
How does inflation come about, what makes a barrel of oil cost more today than yesterday? Does the quest for profit influence anything?
turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
I don't mean this as an insult to OSS. I believe that working as a team, and shareing resources is an excellent idea. I also want to eventually give back to the OSS community. That will be my payment for the use of these services.
Sounds good to me.
turbowsr hat folgendes geschrieben::
Please don't start a flame war, and keep an open mind.
I hope you don't see my disagreement with what you wrote as a flame war, I don't mean it to be.
But if this discussion is to continue, one of the moderators should really move it or you should maybe post a new topic in anything goes because this really isn't general support. |
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Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 16:15 Uhr
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The only con I find is the lag or latency using KDE. There is some lag when an item is clicked and when the action takes place.
Open kde control centre and go to Appearance & Themes > Launch Feedback > Busy Cursor and change it to "No Busy Cursor" instead of "Bouncing Cursor" and you may notice a big difference there. |
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Verfasst am: 21.09.2006, 20:26 Uhr
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I don't have any problem with someone disgreeing with me. I guess what I said was really not thought out well. Anyhow, it doesn't need to be moved.
I just wanted to thank the developers, contributers, everyone involved with Kanotix.
Now back to the lag, and more. This all could be because my system isn't yet optimized. I've had XP long enough to have it optimized for what I needed. Since a lot on Linux, KDE, etc is still mostly NEW to me, I'll just say its learning curve. And that is why I like Kanotix so well, I didn't have to .conf anything. The ONLY trouble I had was printing to an XP network. I read and read, finally, I found I just needed to turn on Samba.
What I really do like about the Linux way....Well I could configure alot in Win95, but had to format my drive and reload once a week to keep it going. Then came 98, less BSOD, but still reinstalled monthly. 98SE better...but....
Did not even try ME. Went to XP, well the BSOD was gone, didn't have to reload, was great improvement, but then all the settings are hid all over the place. You can configure your network in just one pain. It has to be done in several places, and remembering were they are...
Although I really did not have much complaint about XP, the final straw was to re-Activate.
I have toyed with Linux over the last 8 years, but nothing steady, just a toy to me then. MS kept me somewhat satisfied.
Now, I have Kantonix and I don't have to ACTIVATE it. It works great enought for me. The more I learn it, the better it and I will be.
After looking at VISTA specs, and the price, it just disgusted me.
I would rather pay Kano...
Well lets end this thread.
Thanks to all. |
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