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I am not sure why no one is helping but instead criticizing your tastes raid, but were your at is a tough one.
Have you checked the permissions on that file? Maybe the current user doesn't have access to it.
That could happen if you switch back and forth from root. (I didn't read all the steps.) |
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Verfasst am: 30.11.2006, 03:56 Uhr
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Also a ubuntu deb exists but you would have to update to the version of glibc in experimental to use it.
I think what you are doing is probably safer but
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... ht=kickoff |
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Verfasst am: 30.11.2006, 04:00 Uhr
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Actually, now that I have looked at the guide try this
/home/kdedev/src/kde/build/suse_kickoff/configure –prefix=/home/kdedev/kde-unstable > /home/kdedev/src/kde/log/suse_kickoff.log 2>&1 |
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Verfasst am: 30.11.2006, 20:35 Uhr
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I don't know either why peeps are so critical. TBH at the end of the day I probably won't use most of the eyecandy stuff myself anyway.
I'm just doing a bit of Linux advocacy really - when I show off my new laptop running Linux I will turn all this stuff on and impress them and hopefully get them thinking about switching.
But really when I am at home, maybe I might just use fluxbox anyway - as I don't really need persuading personally.
Yes it is tough... I don't like the idea of replacing glib - as I know only too well the kinds of issues this can cause.
Where I am at with this so far is I keep getting stuck with this make error:
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/ -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES=1 -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -O2 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -D_GNU_SOURCE -MT keditbookmarks_dummy.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/keditbookmarks_dummy.Tpo" -c -o keditbookmarks_dummy.lo keditbookmarks_dummy.cpp; \
then mv -f ".deps/keditbookmarks_dummy.Tpo" ".deps/keditbookmarks_dummy.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/keditbookmarks_dummy.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/home/jebus197/kde-unstable/include/kbookmarknotifier.h', needed by `kbookmarknotifier.kidl'. Stop.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/jebus197/src/kde/suse_kickoff/konqueror/keditbookmarks'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/jebus197/src/kde/suse_kickoff/konqueror'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jebus197/src/kde/suse_kickoff'
make: *** [all] Error 2/
I wish I could exclude the keditbookmarks package that it's trying to compile - as I'm pretty sure I can live without it and that I don't need it, but so far that seems to be the main sticking point.
Anyway, as far as I understand it, this new menu may well become a part of KDE 4. I don't know how official that is, but I believe there is certainly more than just talk of it - so even you guys who don'tl ike it might be stuck with a dilemma when KDE 4 comes out - although
possibly they will allow you to switch between a classic menu and this new menu.
I agree however that it isn't perfect yet - which is why I would prefer if I can to install it on a different account and not have it interfere with my main desktop - but hey a lot of the stuff I mess with isn't always very practical - but it is often good fun to play with if you can make it work. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 00:24 Uhr
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If anyone wants to try this new KickOff menu for themselves, it's the default on the new Sabayon 3.2 release. (Sabayon is an installable live DVD/CD based on Gentoo.)
It's pretty fast, and packs a bunch of options into a small space. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 03:15 Uhr
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| Funny you mention that, I just installed that a couple of hours ago. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 03:20 Uhr
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| How does it feel compared with Kanotix? I would be interested in the 'mini' (CD) version though and therefore actually bound to Sabayon 3.1. Is working with the portage system as easy as apt under Debian? How easy is it to update the Kernel? A nice point is that it already includes XFCE4 and *censored* player |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 04:05 Uhr
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Sabayon is my next favorite distro next to Kanotix.
The only issue I really had with it was that it had a hard time working with the Intel HD Audio on my laptop.
Also you have to remember that kickoff is still quite early in development - so it isn't quite ready for prime time yet - or to be judged.
I only flirted with Sabayon briefly, however it is really pretty and XGL/AIGLX/Beryl work pretty much out of the box.
If I could have just got wireless networking going I may have kept it installed longer. But then again, I don't think I could live without all Kano's great scripts. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 04:07 Uhr
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Nothing for me beats apt-get.
I don't know if they have this saying in Berlin, but once a Chevy guy always a Chevy guide.
A word of warning, though. On the mini-version some python decencies had been removed making the installer non-functional. (Or I had a bad burn.)
The full version gives you a choice of desktop environments to install.
Performance wise it ran pretty fast but I am on a 64 bit machine so Debian does as well.
That said, it did feel and look sharp. It will probably last as my secondary distro for a wile.
3 hours in so no kernel experiments. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 04:10 Uhr
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Well, actually I have no real reason to change to another Linux but atleast it seems that even my WLAN USB stick (needs module rt2570) is supported out of the box. And just because kickoff I wouldn't switch 
A not working installer would be a bad point though. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 13:00 Uhr
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Sabayon is the Kanotix of Gentoo. If you catch my drift. Pretty polished nowadays, but not a distro i choose to use for daily purposes, as Gentoo is too hard to maintain long term, all that damned compiling. Portage takes ages even to do the portage equivalent to apt-get update. As for updating world, then see u in 2 days.
(edit )Jackiebrown: probably bad burn the Sabayon installers always worked for me- even if they did used to take forever- By the way at what point did i ever criticise anyone for there personal tastes? Stating a different viewpoint is not a criticism. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 13:54 Uhr
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Your right about the update - the time it took to synce and update (I didn't count he initial one which was horrible) was around 5 minutes. And that was for the equiv of apt-get update.
They did a good job and at least it had an option to install the bootloader to the root partition which seems to be missing a quite a few distros, but I doubt I will keep it as secondary.
I did like the kickoff up until the all programs sections. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 14:07 Uhr
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I dislike that huge kmenu button (I prefer a menu button in the shape of all the other icons). Also annoying (for me) is the kickoff startmenu for
mainly two and a half reasons:
1. it does not start with "applications" which I would want to be the first and default tab
2. it's bound to the borders of that small menu box which leads to
a) it doesn't look good (IMHO) on displays larger than 1024x768 (I use 1920x1200)
b) I cannot see the application groups and the applications in it together, the applications in a group blend over the groups list (a "feature" I also
dislike in kcontrol because I don't have the overview of all possible actions but at least in kcontrol you can turn on tree view) |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 18:09 Uhr
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Well really rather than just complaining, you would do better to report your concerns to the developers. Complaining after all isn't likely to change anything.
Just a thought.
I agree it isn't perfect. But it is still early beta too. So it's possible you could help it improve. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 18:11 Uhr
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Really anyway, if Kano could find a way to enable XGL Compiz, Beryl and so on - and all of the fancy effects that we are all seeing on various sites like digg and so on, I wouldn't feel the urge to try anything else.
I am just feeling a bit neglected with all of this eye candy ATM.
I tried using Kano's script to install XGL - and in the end it was a disaster. Maybe I could have fixed it with a lot of messing about - but it destroyed my KDE desktop - and in the end I decided that it was probably faster just to reinstall Kanotix.
Again, like I said I might not always use all this stuff - but it is useful when showing a nice Linux desktop off to others - and it could encourage them to switch.
BTW (as I said already) in Sabayon Beryl/XGL etc works pretty much out of the box (and it works flawlessly too) on my system - so it's not a case that my system is somehow not compatible with either of these.
I really would rather ditch Gentoo completely too - as it is simply utterly impractical to do anything that approaches the convenience of apt-get dist upgrade. It is mind bendingly depressing to thing that if you did the same in gentoo (eg emerge --update world) you might still be waiting to use your computer several days later - once that is you had worked your way through the several dozen random packages that typically tend to fail to compile.
The only reason I have Sabayon installed is as a technology demo. I would be much, much happier if I could do that with Kanotix. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 19:51 Uhr
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jebus197 hat folgendes geschrieben::
Really anyway, if Kano could find a way to enable XGL Compiz, Beryl and so on - and all of the fancy effects that we are all seeing on various sites like digg and so on, I wouldn't feel the urge to try anything else.
XGL is dead (at least on Debian, dunno about SUSE). The packages available haven't been updated in almost half a year.
I don't know about AIGLX, because Beryl is very easy to get going if you have an NVIDIA card that works with the latest NVIDIA drivers. Kano's driver installation script has options (use the "-h" switch to see them) that will let you choose which driver to install, and configure xorg.conf properly.
If you want more info about using Beryl with NVIDIA, search the forum on "beryl" or just ask! |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 20:07 Uhr
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No I have an ATI X1400 on my laptop. So it has to be XGL. (Or at least I think).
You mean its dead as a project, or just dead on this platform?
As I said I have Beryl and all the various effects running as smooth as butter on Sabayon.
If I could do that in Kanotix - I would be much happier. |
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Verfasst am: 01.12.2006, 20:22 Uhr
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Dead on this platform. Novell/Suse came out with XGL, and I don't know if they're still developing it or not. I've got XGL on my laptop (ATI Radeon XPress chipset, fglrx driver) and it's so flaky it's practically unuseable.
Please see the Beryl Wiki for instructions on using AIGLX. It seems to indicate you'll have to use the open-source "radeon" driver to make it work.
You can get Beryl debs from Le coin de Beryl (currently v0.1.2), or use Prometeus' Beryl packages (v0.1.3). |
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Verfasst am: 02.12.2006, 03:02 Uhr
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Yeah that's what toasted my Kanotix system once already.
Seriously though man, in Sabayon the whole thing runs as smooth as hot butter off a knife.
They use the official ATI FGLRX drivers too.
It's a pity getting Wireless networking going for Sabayon is such a pain - and it's pity too that the sound on my Laptop sucks when using Sabayon - and while I'm at it, it sucks that gentoo sucks so badly too.
But there we are - it seems we can't have it all. |
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Verfasst am: 02.12.2006, 10:12 Uhr
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| If u got aiglx in sabayon then its not using fglrx- its using the free xorg driver. You can easily achieve this in kanotix as many others have. (i had it running for a while but then sourced a nvidia card and ditched ati). |
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Verfasst am: 02.12.2006, 19:45 Uhr
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No I'm not using aiglx (I wish I could!) I'm using xgl - and I am definitely using ATI FGLRX.
Code:
fglrxinfo
Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0 screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 Generic
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (2.0.6065 (8.29.6)
XGL is much more of a resource hog than AIGLX - but sadly there's not much chance of me being able to change the graphics chip on my laptop. |
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Verfasst am: 02.12.2006, 20:21 Uhr
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Titel: Re: Kickoff A New KDE Menui For Kanotix?
Verfasst am: 03.12.2006, 23:23 Uhr
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jebus197 hat folgendes geschrieben::
I understand that this is not supported in Kanotix (yet - although it may be if it becomes the official KDE 4 KMenu) however I am fully happy to try it out at my own risk.
Just to clarify: Kickoff is totally Suse specific and will probably last no longer than until the arrival of KDE 4 - unless they plan to maintain it in parallel to the official one. That it is kept in the KDE SVN doesn't mean much, see Kerry the Beagle frontend <-> Strigi (guess what will happen).
You can see it as an interesting piece of research or as intermediary throw-away work - similar to much else Novell is doing.
The menu designated to become the officially one is Raptor, Readme is here. |
Zuletzt bearbeitet von Crono am 03.12.2006, 23:27 Uhr, insgesamt ein Mal bearbeitet
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Titel: RE: Re: Kickoff A New KDE Menui For Kanotix?
Verfasst am: 04.12.2006, 00:12 Uhr
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Zitat:
The menu designated to become the officially one is Raptor, Readme is here.
Darn, Iwas hoping for a screen shot. |
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Titel: RE: Re: Kickoff A New KDE Menui For Kanotix?
Verfasst am: 04.12.2006, 00:14 Uhr
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