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Titel: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 13:34 Uhr
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Titel: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 16:10 Uhr
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I cannot agree with him. ReiserFS is much faster and I did not have any problems with it at all. Anyway the only reason I see to put the ext3 FS on a partition is because there is a r/w driver on win for it. |
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Titel: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 16:41 Uhr
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http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-09/msg00557.html is probably the better starting point for that discussion (because he clarifies a few statement in subsequent mails) - and yes, that means reiserfs 3.6 will quickly become a dead end since SuSE was the only one actively maintaining reiserfs 3.x for a long time (and they did a good job with it). |
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Titel: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 20:59 Uhr
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slh hat folgendes geschrieben::
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-09/msg00557.html is probably the better starting point for that discussion (because he clarifies a few statement in subsequent mails) - and yes, that means reiserfs 3.6 will quickly become a dead end since SuSE was the only one actively maintaining reiserfs 3.x for a long time (and they did a good job with it).
OK ReiserFS will be obsolete soon, but what about Reiser4? |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 21:57 Uhr
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Hello!
Zitat:
OK ReiserFS will be obsolete soon, but what about Reiser4?
FAT32 is also obsolete, but you can still install Windows XP on it ...
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark, ... ~mode=flat
Zitat:
ReiserFS has serious scalability problems.
ReiserFS has serious performance problems with extended attributes and ACLs.
ReiserFS has a small and shrinking development community.
ReiserFS v3 is a dead end.
It seems that ReiserFS is not suitable for enterprise servers,
but for personal/small business is adequate (similar like
FAT32 vs. NTFS in MS world)
Zitat:
Anyway the only reason I see to put the ext3 FS on a partition is because there is a r/w driver on win for it.
BTW, there is a Windows GUI for reading ReiserFS partitions:
http://yareg.akucom.de/
and Total Commander plugin:
http://www.ghisler.com/plugins.htm
Regards, ROman |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 22:12 Uhr
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I am sure there is a GUI for Windows for using ReiserFS, called Yareg. I have written also a GUI for rfstool, but RFSTOOL does not offer write support and will not do it in near future.
FAT32 is indeed obsolete. You can install XP on it, but you should not do it, Microsoft does advise against FAT32.
Anyway you cannot compare FAT32 to ReiserFS as ext3 to NTFS. FAT32 is old, slow, has a low security level - it is almost like on ext3, which is the old ext2 system including a journal. ReiserFS is much faster and from the base up a journaling FS and can be indeed compared to NTFS on MS based systems.
I really do not know why some people have problems with ReiserFS. Maybe Reiser4 which is a completely rewritten version of Hans Reisers File systems will solve this problems. |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 22:24 Uhr
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Hello!
I'm not an expert in (Linux) file systems. It was not my
intention to compare NTFS with ext3 ... but after
re-reading my post it really looks that way
Regards, Roman |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 23:10 Uhr
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reiser4 is broken by design or lack thereof (I've written a more exhaustive explanation some time ago, although that might have been in the german part of the board). |
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Verfasst am: 02.10.2006, 23:57 Uhr
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slh,
Do you have a filesystem recommendation? What do you think is best for a Kanotix installation? |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 03.10.2006, 00:00 Uhr
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I thought ReiserFS was good for lots of small files (or better than ext3), so I use it for my /var partition and /usr; the rest is xfs for big files (video media and databases); I use /ext3 for /boot and /. Hope it'll be easy to switch from ReiserFS to ext4  |
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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 03.10.2006, 11:18 Uhr
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slh hat folgendes geschrieben::
reiser4 is broken by design or lack thereof (I've written a more exhaustive explanation some time ago, although that might have been in the german part of the board).
Well you are right but I think Reiser4 is still in development and not supported by the Linux Kernel yet. Maybe there are still some improvements left by Namesys. |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 04.10.2006, 13:15 Uhr
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does this mean, as suse was the major supporter of reiserfs, that reiserfs will be dead in the long run? is kanotix therefore going to switch also their default filesystem?
for those who are interested, here's the thread in which slh explained why reiser4 is not stable enough (in german only)
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t ... iser4.html |
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Titel: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 04.10.2006, 13:41 Uhr
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John hat folgendes geschrieben::
does this mean, as suse was the major supporter of reiserfs, that reiserfs will be dead in the long run? is kanotix therefore going to switch also their default filesystem?
for those who are interested, here's the thread in which slh explained why reiser4 is not stable enough (in german only)
http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t ... iser4.html
Not only Suse is the supporter of ReiserFS also firms like Linspire, who support many other projects like Wine.
I think ReiserFS will be obsolete soon by Reiser4 and Suse did not support Reiser4 at all. |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 04.10.2006, 13:46 Uhr
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SuSE had 2 developers maintaining reiserfs 3.6 almost fulltime, while Namesys already abandoned it 2 years + x ago and only acted on explicit request. SuSE and Namesys might eventually fix serious bugs in the future but it won't get the real life exposure it had so far (not uncovering bugs that easily) and no future improvements - which means it will become legacy (or not recommended for new systems) fairly soon (1-2 kernel versions in the future).
In other words, (Kanotix+1) needs to rethink its default file system, but the alternatives aren't that impressing either. |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 10.10.2006, 09:05 Uhr
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Its always worked fine here- i wonder if this change also co-incides with mr reiserfs wife dissapearing in unclear circumstances........ Just a thought- and a completely untechnical one at that. |
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Titel: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: ReiserFS problems
Verfasst am: 11.10.2006, 15:19 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 11.10.2006, 15:46 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 11.10.2006, 23:01 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.10.2006, 01:03 Uhr
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Verfasst am: 12.10.2006, 05:44 Uhr
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that is an amazing story. While being crude, offensive, and just generally distasteful, this comic
http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive ... programmer
is pretty funny.
Unfortunately, I really doubt that the Oakland police would have spent this amount of time and energy on Reiser if they didn't have fairly solid evidence against him. Especially since there is no body, that's a fairly strong step to take, so their evidence is probably quite strong as well.
We'll see how it turns out, whatever happens this is going to probably put a pretty serious hold on anything more to do with reiserfs.
Of course, kanotix can use reiserfs for a lot longer, none of the objections the suse maintainer had are related to desktop use, it's all enterprise stuff. But with reiser4 not in the kernel, and with hans possibly not free, it's not looking good for his file system no matter what happens.
One thing I found interesting in the article was the discussion of ext4, which makes total sense to me, I'd much rather have a solid, robust, well tested file system than something experimental. And I did once use reiser4, which was pretty funny, the system was to put it mildly highly unstable. And you could watch streams of errors spinning past you in console. That was 2+ years ago, but it was still funny, easy to see why it's not in the kernel though. |
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Verfasst am: 13.10.2006, 17:32 Uhr
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Hello!
"Ext4 in Linux 2.6.19rc1-mm1"
http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3183866977.html
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This new filesystem features support for storage up to for 1024 petabytes per volume. A petabyte is 2**50 (two to the fiftieth power) bytes. If that sounds insanely large, think again. Individual supercomputers such as Lawrence Livermore National Labs's BlueGene/L already have over a petabyte of storage and several storage networks are reputed to have well over a dozen petabytes.
Ext4 also supports extent file writing. In extent, when a file is created, it is given a contiguous area of storage. Then, when the file is written to in the future, the new information is written at the end of the earlier file. This is meant to reduce file fragmentation and improve drive performance.
Extent isn't new twith Ext4. It's already present in the Reiser4 filesystem as well as in IBM's JFS (Journaling filesystem), which is used in AIX and Linux.
Like most other modern filesystems, Ext4 is also a journaling filesystem. This is a filesystem that logs file changes to a journal before actually committing them to the filesystem. The reason for this functionality is that, in the event of a file read or write problem, a journaling system makes it much easier to recover data.
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Cheers, Roman |
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